On Wednesday, April 21, 2004, our Ask-the-Expert Online Conference was called Hormonal Therapy Updates. Sandra Schnall, M.D. and Marisa Weiss, M.D. answered your questions about hormonal therapies and answered questions about which ones work best in different situations, how they might fit into your treatment sequence, how to deal with side effects, and more.
Question from Dermnurse: How safe are estrogen vaginal creams for breast cancer patients? I am 4 years post-diagnosis of breast cancer. I had a wide-excision lumpectomy, radiation, and am in my fourth year of tamoxifen. I had a hysterectomy 1 year ago.
Another product to check out is the Estring, which is a small plastic ring that's got estrogen in it. It is placed inside the vagina for 3 months at a time. Slowly, the estrogen comes out of the ring and "feeds" the vaginal walls. Some doctors may prefer this over the creams because the amount of estrogen that gets into the blood might be less. Also, it helps avoid the messiness that creams can cause in terms of dripping out of the vagina.
If you need wetness in the vagina, try lubricants before you go to any type of estrogen product. My patients' favorites are Slippery Stuff and Astroglide. Good old K-Y Jelly or the new gels are also popular.
Question from Nance: Besides tamoxifen, are there any other hormonal therapies for pre-menopausal ER/PR-positive node-negative cancers?
Stay tuned for new advances in the field of hormonal therapy for young women. There may be some early study results presented at the American Society for Clinical Oncology meeting this June.
Question from JennyP: Following chemotherapy and radiation, my doctor prescribed Arimidex. Now we are hearing more about Femara and I am wondering if that might be even more effective. My doctor feels more comfortable with Arimidex because it has been studied longer.
In general, there's probably not that much difference between the two. There are some side-effect differences between Femara and Arimidex. On Arimidex, patients seem to have more difficulties with achiness and muscle pain. Both are associated with increased risk of osteoporosis. Usually the achiness would be a reason to switch agents, but otherwise I wouldn't recommend switching from one to the other.
Question from Cheryl: What form of treatment is used if you get a recurrence while you are still taking Femara?
Question from Mary: Are there any definitive studies regarding the long-term effectiveness of hormone therapy in preventing recurrence of breast cancer?
Question from Hjshaman: How is hormonal therapy affected, if at all, by the use of antidepressants?
Recently, there was some concern expressed about whether the antidepressants may interfere with the effectiveness of hormonal therapy. This concern has not been substantiated. At this time, most oncologists—as well as primary care doctors—still feel comfortable giving low doses of these medications to improve the quality of life relative to hot flashes (low doses of these meds) or for depression (higher doses of these meds).
Question from Fredda: I am taking tamoxifen and unable to take Effexor for hot flashes, and vitamin E didn't work. Is there something else?
Other agents, such as some antihypertensive agents, can help to some degree, but they have other side effects. The hypertensive agent may be the clonidine (brand name: Catapres) patch. Although this is often well tolerated, there can be lowering of blood pressure, which can be uncomfortable or symptomatic.
Before going to medications, of course, it's helpful to look at your lifestyle. Stress reduction can be quite helpful, as can exercise, meditation, weight loss, and dressing in layers of natural fiber clothing. Get a thermal cup with ice water in it and bring it with you wherever you go. Put nearly full water bottles into the freezer and take those with you and drink them as they melt during the day.
Portable fans and avoiding caffeine and spicy foods can make a difference. Try to get to meetings on time when possible and do your best to prepare before the meeting to avoid avoidable stresses. Check out other ideas at breastcancer.org You have to be resourceful and patient because it does take a lot of trial-and-error to find the 1-2-3 combination of things that might help you.
Question from Grannylor: I have metastatic breast cancer to the bone and am being treated with Femara daily and monthly Zometa. How long will this treatment be necessary?
Question from Katie: Which hormonal therapies are effective with estrogen-negative, progesterone-positive breast cancer?
Question from Flyby: How does testosterone cream affect women? I was hoping to use something that could help libido.
A little bit of testosterone can go a long way. We still don't know if it's safe to give testosterone, but most people feel comfortable with a little bit. Before going ahead with this, make sure your gynecologist talks to your oncologist about this treatment recommendation.
There are a lot of other reasons why your libido might be lower than it used to be, including all of the post-menopausal symptoms like vaginal dryness, vaginal shortening, hot flashes, weight gain, body image changes, and sleep deprivation. Stay tuned to next month's conference on dealing with these tough issues, featuring a gynecologist who specializes in this area.
Question from Jean: Do you recommend aromatase inhibitors for breast cancer prevention in high-risk patients with no previous cancer?
Question from Evelyn: I am 50 years old, had a hysterectomy with BSO and 0.9 cm breast cancer treated with lumpectomy and radiation. I am on tamoxifen for 2½ years. How do I decide whether to continue with tamoxifen or use some of the new aromatase inhibitors?
You are probably aware of two studies in the last 6 months that looked at switching from tamoxifen after 2 or 3 years over to Arimidex or to Aromasin recently reviewed at breastcancer.org. There are more options today than there were when you were first presented with the recommendation to take tamoxifen.
During the 5 years of taking any medication, it's good when new advances come along that make you reconsider what you're doing. One of the reasons why you go back and see your doctor several times a year is to discuss what you're doing and how you might decide to improve upon it. Last month's Research News presents all the options that you can print out and take into your doctor's office to stimulate this discussion.
Question from lizzy: I'm ER+ and currently taking Arimidex (since January). Is this medication prescribed for 5 years or longer? After that timeframe, is there any other hormonal treatment available?
Question from Meg: Have there been any published studies on the use of natural foods and products like flaxseed or progesterone cream as alternatives to tamoxifen?
It's natural for people to want to pursue natural remedies because there's a strong belief that they are going to be more gentle, with fewer side effects. Despite this strong belief, we are without solid data to support taking these natural substances and giving up the proven powerful benefits of hormonal therapies from the pharmacy.
The only way the drug company is allowed to make a claim about its drug's potential benefit is if there are studies to back up those claims. So, it's important to be careful when you hear claims that are enticing, at a time when you are looking for just those types of treatments.
Question from Maribeth: I had a lumpectomy and radiation therapy just a year ago. I declined hormonal therapy. Is there any research on beginning at a delayed time?
In contrast, we take care of people who may be ready to make the decision in 5 minutes to take it or not to take it. Each one of you is unique and different from each other. No one can force you to do something or take something if you don't want it or if you're not ready.
But if you are not ready and you're trying to figure out what to do, it's helpful to write down what's getting in your way. You have more questions that haven't been answered? Are there concerns you want to express? Get them on the table so that you can move through them and move beyond this decision.
Question from Kandi: Because I am in a clinical trial, I have started Arimidex while still receiving radiation therapy. I understand there might be some controversy about the synergy of the two treatments. Would you comment on that?
Recently, two centers looked at whether it's OK to give tamoxifen during radiation or if it's best to push it off until after radiation is done. One study showed it's OK to give it together; the other study showed that radiation MIGHT not work as well if given together. Still, we're left without a clear answer.
Be reassured that large clinical trials such as the NSABP (National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project) studies did use tamoxifen together with radiation, and that radiation worked very well in those studies. So I'd stick to your protocol and expect the best.
Question from Jan: Are blood tests to determine if someone has gone through menopause accurate? I am on tamoxifen and would like to have a blood test to see if I can be switched to Arimidex, but I do not want to take the chance unless they are very accurate.
This confusion can lead to uncertainty, not just about what hormonal therapies to choose, but also it brings up issues about fertility. If you were pre-menopausal at diagnosis and your periods have stopped, be sure to use birth control if you want to avoid pregnancy.
Question from Tracey: Would it not be better to have a hysterectomy than have to take tamoxifen?
The ultrasounds are recommended but are not mandatory. However, I do recommend a gynecology exam annually in all women, but most notably those on tamoxifen.
Question from Kimmy Too: If tamoxifen is a "medical" oophorectomy, then why in the world are my medical oncologist and my radiology oncologist insisting that I have my ovaries removed?
If you are a young woman who has had breast cancer that is hormone-receptor-positive, and if your oncologist is recommending that your ovaries be shut down in order to reduce the risk of breast cancer coming back, I would recommend trying to shut your ovaries down with hormonal therapy rather than removal of the ovaries.
This is because you might want to have children at some point in the future, and, in general, removing the ovaries would take away your ability to bear your own children with your own eggs in the future. We are working hard at figuring out how to freeze eggs and ovaries in special banks to keep alive the hope of having children in the future with your own eggs. But there's a lot more work that has to be done to perfect that.
Question from Pat: Can Arimidex cause cognitive problems and are they permanent?
Anxiety and sleep deprivation can really get in the way of feeling and thinking normally. Chemotherapy, growing older, depression, and fatigue are other significant causes of trouble in this area.
Also keep in mind that during 5 years of taking any drug, you will be growing older during those 5 years. A lot can happen in your life during those 5 years that can also have an effect on how you function. Sort these different causes out with your doctor and see which of these causes can be changed and improved upon.
Question from Nellie: Are there any protocols or have any studies been done re: making more complicated treatment decisions for individuals with other diseases, such as MS, systemic sclerosis, etc., that may be negatively impacted by hormonal therapies?
This condition can be first discovered when your oncologist is putting you on a hormonal therapy and gets a baseline DEXA scan, which measures bone strength. In this situation, you may be dealing with decisions on two different conditions, breast cancer and osteoporosis, at the same time.
The issue mostly comes up with aromatase inhibitors, which can cause slight bone loss over the first 2 years that they are given. The only other condition that I can think of right now is a history of endometrial cancer. If you have a history of this type of cancer, most doctors would avoid giving you a drug like tamoxifen.
Question from Kathy: I am diabetic, which means I have a higher risk of stroke. I am about to start hormonal therapy. I am concerned when I read about the side effect of blood clots. Please discuss this side effect.
Also, many patients take aspirin to decrease the risk of blood clots, and I have no objection to using that in conjunction with hormone therapy if recommended by their other physicians.
Question from Kandi: Why must a hormone medication like tamoxifen be discontinued after 5 years if it is preventing recurrence?
Question from Valerie: What is the current research on the effectiveness of Femara on women who have been diagnosed with inoperable stage IV breast tumors?
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